Archive for February, 2008

An Old Codger’s View on - Any Tom, DIC or Parry

Friday, February 29th, 2008

Written by Wooltonian, and posted here for a wider audience…

Whatever next ?

I’ve just been reading a thread regarding Hicks - Sandon II, an invite by a pub Director.

The following is my opinion having kept my gob shut all week, but having read liquorice allsorts since last weekend.

Holding any meeting in a pub is starting on the wrong foot. And as for a set agenda on any questions for current or future owners, isn’t that how we do things in a democracy?
Does anyone believe Prime Ministers question time agenda is not set in advance?

Any meeting with the club directors should be held inside Anfield, away from the prying eyes of the press, That way we will not get the media whores trying to get their name in the papers.
Representatives from all Independent bodies SOS SLFC and perhaps Independent website editors should make up the floor.

I have been reading all the threads lately but have decided holding my tongue was the wisest move. Having had time now to reflect on all I’ve read, I’m seriously wondering what fans want.

Do we want foreign ownership ? It doesn’t look like we do.
We’ve had fans as shareholders, but the decision was taken to sell out.
We’ve had a Scouser (Steve Morgan) try and take control and most websites cringed at the possibility of him taking us down the PLC route.
Wouldn’t SOS and SLFC do exactly the same ?
Who would fund the new stadium if we buy our club back ?
Who would finance Rafa’s next £25-50 million tantrum in the next transfer window ?

None of us like what we’re seeing under the current regime, but is there anyone who has all the answers ?
Do you honestly believe DIC will have the support of all the fans ?
Do you think we as fans, would be happy with another Abramovic who basically see his club as a “Boys Toy”?

I’m not clever enough business wise to make any judgements, and I remember my Grandfathers advice “keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot rather than open your mouth and prove it beyond doubt”.

My forte, if I have one, is writing about The History of Liverpool Football Club and avoiding day to day issues. Where history teaches us what we think on the spur of the moment is replaced by more “common Sense” decisions on later reflection. But as they say if there is one thing not common it’s common sense.

Jumping on the SOS or the SLFC bandwagon, when frankly you don’t fully understand their agenda is to me foolhardy.
I’ll start listening to parties when they announce their financial structure for the next five years including payment of the new stadium.
The next line I’m waiting to hear is, lets start a “Stay at Anfield” party ie avoiding the largest payment we have in our foreseeable future.
Buying back the shares might put the club back in the hands of the fans, but who is going to stump up the new stadium cost and the transfer kitty for the next 5 years ?

Before we jump out of the frying pan and into the fire I would hope fans who are business minded have a long hard look at a future purchasers financial manifesto. Thus being 100% sure the next move is the right move.
Otherwise what seems like Storm blowing through the Hallowed Halls may well turn into a force 9 tornado.
And the words of the song “At the end of the storm….. now, there will be a bigger one brewing”
Remember this, a tug of war always ends up with one side having their faces in the mud.

If you must choose a side make your selection wisely otherwise you will end up with a muddy face. If like me you are not business minded enough to understand my advise is to sit on the fence and just hope and pray for a successful out come.

It’s not embarrassing to abstain from making an ill judged decision.

My stance has been and always will be, I am a football fan who supports 11 players on the park. I don’t make management decisions and I do not make decisions at board level.
As Shankly once said, “the Directors are only here to sign the cheques, I’m here to prepare the team for the next game and the fans are here to support the team”
Right now it appears we want to select the directors, the manager want’s to take his ball home if he doesn’t get his own way and the directors want to drink in the bloody Sandon.
What a Cockeyed world we live in

If you consider abstaining from voting cowardly, be ready to accept the responsibility of the decision you make.

The truth at the moment is as fans we’re constantly being asked to choose sides.
Even when we put aside the differences between Owners and Manager.
Then another crack appears.
“Gerrard’s” now not a happy bunny (again)
And it appears after watching Rafa go 6 rounds with the owners, he wants to jump in the ring and take him to the distance.
The hacks this morning are talking about The fans siding with Steven Gerrard over Rafa Benitez.
Well I’m sorry both parties now look like their emphasis is improving their own CV’s rather than building something together.
I’ve always hated the side of Gerrard we see every now and again “I’m the Billy Big Bollocks” me me me.
And I’m not a big fan of Rafa when he does his “I’m taking my ball home if I cant get my own way”

As Big as Ron Yeats was and as hard as Tommy Smith was, could you see either of them trying a stunt like that with Shanks. Billy was the boss and no one ever questioned Shankly’s command.
I seem to remember Souness attempting the “I’m the Billy Big Bollocks” with Uncle Bob. And wasn’t it Paul Ince who last tried to be “Gaffer” if only in name.
Great players come and go, but if I’m ever asked to vote my allegiance between a player and a manager, I’m sorry the player is on the bus out of town. (or more likely in a bloody Ferrari that we’ve paid for)

Not content with watching our club tear itself into splinter groups, I’ve noticed recently than fan base doing exactly the same, SOS Shares LFC, AFC Liverpool. What’s next The Walton Breck Banker’s)?

The only way to get a say in matters concerning the club (and I’m not suggesting the club will listen) is to unite under a single banner, prepare an agenda for the possible meeting and stick to it. Don’t let anyone digress into trivial matters just so you can come out of the meeting claiming to have scored a few points.

I know this piece will not be popular but I cannot believe I am the only fan that is totally confused about what’s going on both on and off the park.
Remember the old Anny Road chant [i]”The Road End united will never be defeated”[/i]
If the club are having difficulty ‘Houlding’ it all together, lets show them for Gods sake, that we will not be split into small factions.

We all sing from the same song sheet in the spirit of the Old Kop.

“The Kopites united, will never be defeated,
the Kopites united, will never be defeated”

LFC 3-Boro2

Saturday, February 23rd, 2008

better than 1-1 at theirs, a match notable for the kind generosity of the Boro defenders, and the ref and Rafa not rotating the team, save for Carra’s suspension…

Well the main talking point was that Liverpool have answered their critics and finally bought a 20 goal a season striker. Our Fern pops in his first hattrick, and we’ve now taken 13 out of 15 points from the North East clubs…

Talk of Tom Hicks’ son holding a bring and buy sale in the Sandon are as yet unconfirmed. (Bring all the disgruntled fans in to meet me and my pals from the US in, then I’ll say bye… quickly…)

Bob Paisley, RIP

Thursday, February 14th, 2008

He is my favourite Liverpool manager, the one I grew up with. As much as I revere Shankly, Bob was the man for me, the manager of the Liverpool of my childhood.

What he won is a matter of record, but here it is:

Honours: 6 LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83
3 EUROPEAN CUPS 1976-77, 1977-78, 1980-81
3 LEAGUE CUPS 1980-81, 1981-82, 1982-83
1 UEFA CUP 1975-76
1 EUROPEAN SUPER CUP 1976-77
5 CHARITY SHIELDS 1974, 1976, 1977 (shared), 1980, 1982
6 MANAGER OF THE YEAR AWARDS 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83

 but for me it was the fact that this unassuming, quiet but humourous man ran the greatest team in the world, for me, at their greatest times.

You can keep the Liverpool of the 80’s, you can keep your Fergie’s league lists, in an age when the words “sports science” would only be together because your teacher had forgotten the word “and” in between them (Hines is useless at sports and science), in an age where a win was only worth 2 points, so those teams who drew matches weren’t that far off, in an age where the tactics in England were typified by the type of game at the Baseball Ground: “Pass the ball, when it gets stuck in the sand, build a castle and then kick it in their goalie’s face”, Bob Paisley won the European Cup three times. Not once, and a failed final, not once and then was unlucky to get close to other teams, but 3 times. In the space of four years. He built a team that held the pace in England, but could play against the might of Europe.

St Etienne - one of the most famous night’s of Liverpool’s illustrious history? That was one of Bob’s.

“I’ve been in Rome twice, but last time it was in a tank” that was one of Bob’s.

“Keegan leaving? Get that young lad in, Kenny Daglish, he’ll be alright”. That was Bob.

or what about Hansen, or Souness? Bob signed em.

In 1978/79 we played 42 games. We let in 16 goals all season and scored 85. We lost four games all season. All season

Bob Paisley died Valentine’s day 1996. Many a heart was broken that day.

Bob, you were the best. RIP.

Games around the world?

Friday, February 8th, 2008

Sheer madness.

I’m listening to David Gold, chair of Birmingham, say on Radio 5 Live, that he leads the vanguard in reducing ticket prices. Well I’ve now got stew coloured curtains at utter hypocrisy of the man who charges £45 for an away ticket at St Andrews.

He’s on the radio talking about his support for the notion that the Premier League teams will play an extra game in January of any given season, but in a far flung land, effectively to the highest bidder.

Well I’ve listened to the arguments for and the arguments against and have to say its bollocks. Complete bollocks.

 And here’s why:

1. Most managers accept the 38 games a season is already too much. Players are knackered, there’s no winter break, injuries are more common and the national team suffers from player exhaustion if not the club come the end of the season.

But no, now its ok to add in a possible 12 hour flight, a game in extreme heat conditions and the jet lag there and back, before playing the rest of the season.

2. Lets be honest here, there are several clubs who have worldwide brands, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea for instance. Possibly Everton, possibly er nope, that’s it. So who on Earth wants to see at their local ground, Wigan v Reading. Or next year, Watford v West Brom? Seriously? Each city is supposed to get one ‘big’ team, who draw out another ‘lesser’ team (top 5 don’t play eachother) and then the next day, two others play. No-one will give a shite about the other game.

3. Who are the top five, lets say for instance that Liverpool are 6th come January, or Man Utd, or Chelsea and so on, Bolton were top of the league a few years ago and certainly in the top five most of the autumn, are they going to be the seeded teams?

4. Who is going to pay a higher sum to watch Liverpool play live, when you can watch all of their games in a sports bar anyway?

5. Imagine your team gets drawn against Man Utd, thus playing them 3 times in a season, they win, you get relegated, whilst your relegation rivals play a lower team and get a draw and suddenly they stay up. How you going to feel?

6. all of the above.

Once again, the fan is being left out, the teams wishes are being ignored, and the £ sign has ‘chinged’ in greedy money grabbing eyes. Its a shite idea. never mind OOT’s we’ll soon be all OOC’s. Out Of Continents..

Munich 1958. RIP Those Who Died.

Thursday, February 7th, 2008

I would like to send my condolences to those families who were bereaved by the tragedy of the Munich Air Disaster in 1958. My thoughts are with the families and friends and colleagues of those who knew someone who was killed in that accident.

Full Stop. 

However:

Now I don’t care what Manchester Utd fans sing, what they eat, what they think. I care less of them if they mock the dead of Hillsborough, and I despise the pettiness of their mindless supporters that think that’s in order. Otherwise they don’t enter my mind, and on any day never mind a day like this, what they do or don’t do, doesn’t justify any backlash of anyother fan let alone us.

I won’t let any other fan of any other club dictate to me how I should behave and I won’t use the media interest in that tragedy affect the way I see things. As far as I am concerned, anyone who thinks its clever to sing about tragedies are to be pitied for their weakness.

RIP to those who died, may god rest their souls.

Whilst Hicks fiddles, the Coliseum that is Anfield burns…

Saturday, February 2nd, 2008

As the players’ heads go down at Upton Park, whilst some try to buy the club, whilst there are those who say hang on, we’ve been paying for it for years, I’ve noticed frustration at the impotence we fans have - our energy has no direction, and I’m ashamed to say many of us are now fighting amongst ourselves over the next step forward, groups forming giving out rallying calls, only to be pettily put down, positivity a negative name round here, and suggestions from boycotting the shop (can’t remember last time I was ever in there anyway) to walk outs, to shout outs, its not the best time for our club.

If I could ask for one thing, it would be that fan stands with fan, united in agreement that we want our club back. Back to the principles of decency, hard work and good football. On and off the pitch. That shouldn’t be pie in the sky. But who knows.

In 2008, as the city celebrates its culture, Liverpool FC are in danger of losing theirs.

So for the time being, lets stop the petty bickering, choose a group/direction/plan of action you want to support and for gods sake, lets not us, the fans, fall out. There’s enough of that elsewhere at our beloved church.